It’s like anything else. And I remember, I had to call him in, and he flew in from Chicago. I said, “No, I want to see you in my office.” And he came in and we talked over whatever the problem was at the time. “I’ll be honest with you; I have disagreements with probably all 32 of our teams.”After the Raiders won the 1981 A.F.C. Dan Reeves was the president and Tex Schramm was the general manager. They sniped at the NFL.Pete Rozelle: Yes. So much of timing and luck was involved. Patient with my brother and myself. Vince looked at it, he said, “Well, you have no choice, do you?” I said, “I don’t think so, Vinnie. I thought I might go that route rather than stay in sports at that time.Pete Rozelle: I think it’s probably a natural, adversarial position between a commissioner in any sport and their players association, or union. The 1951 football team was unbeaten, untied, and they sent three people: Ollie Matson, a fullback; and Gino Marchetti, the great defensive lineman of Baltimore; and Bob St. Clair, offensive tackle (for the) 49ers. But I think that most of the players feel the same way. I think that’s the most important thing I can tell you, and you will hear it over and over again, so you’re going to feel it’s a hackneyed cliché. It lagged far behind baseball in popularity, and what little cohesion the league enjoyed was threatened by the newly organized American Football League, a virtual millionaire’s club with a more aggressively coherent strategy toward broadcasting and promotion.Pete Rozelle: He lives right near here in Fallbrook, so we do keep in touch.Pete Rozelle: Oh, very much so. Without the luck, he may have trouble, but also without that preparation, education-wise, he wouldn’t have a shot.Pete Rozelle: I got along with them well enough to get the job. This is Russell’s uncle. But we did get exemption from the standpoint of selling our television rights as a package, all the teams at one time, rather than individually. They butchered the NFL team. Otherwise you can get so involved in your job, or any one thing, that you’re not a very well-balanced person, and you’re not happy either, normally. So it’s a sound program, and I’m glad we did it.Pete Rozelle: No, I wasn’t at that level. When the Raiders arrived in New Orleans, Upshaw, later the executive director of the players’ union, continued to boil. It was up all the way after that.Pete Rozelle: I think that’s part of it. But stability is a great thing in sports, and the fans feel a definite loss when they lose a franchise, it’s not good for a sport.Pete Rozelle: Not really on a major basis.